Legislature(1997 - 1998)

03/22/1997 10:41 AM House RES

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               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                              
                         March 22, 1997                                        
                           10:41 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Representative Scott Ogan, Co-Chairman                                        
 Representative Bill Hudson, Co-Chairman                                       
 Representative Joe Green                                                      
 Representative Fred Dyson                                                     
 Representative Reggie Joule                                                   
                                                                               
 MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                
                                                                               
 Representative Beverly Masek, Vice Chair                                      
 Representative Ramona Barnes                                                  
 Representative William K. ("Bill") Williams                                   
 Representative Irene Nicholia                                                 
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                            
                                                                               
 CONFIRMATION HEARINGS ON GOVERNOR'S APPOINTMENTS TO:                          
 Board of Game                                                                 
                                                                               
      Gregory P. Streveler                                                     
      Nicole Whittington-Evans                                                 
      Lori Trent Quakenbush                                                    
      Michael R. Fleagle                                                       
                                                                               
 (* First public hearing)                                                      
                                                                               
 PREVIOUS ACTION                                                               
                                                                               
 No previous action to record                                                  
                                                                               
 WITNESS REGISTER                                                              
                                                                               
 BUTCH LAUGHLIN, Owner                                                         
 Alaska Fly and Fish Charters                                                  
 9604 Kelly Court                                                              
 Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                         
 Telephone:  (907) 790-2120                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 SARAH DUNLAP, Owner                                                           
 Alaska Fly and Fish Charters                                                  
 9604 Kelly Court                                                              
 Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                         
 Telephone:  (907) 790-2120                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 LYNN SCHOOLER, Guide                                                          
 P.O. Box 22026                                                                
 Juneau, Alaska  99802                                                         
 Telephone:  (907) 463-4942                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 JON POND, Representative                                                      
 Admiralty Bears Association                                                   
 640 Hemlock Way                                                               
 Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                         
 Telephone:  (907) 586-6168                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on Governor's appointees.                      
                                                                               
 JOEL BENNETT, Former Member                                                   
 Board of Game                                                                 
 15255 Point Louisa Road                                                       
 Juneau, Alaska  99803                                                         
 Telephone:  (907) 789-1718                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on Governor's appointees.                      
                                                                               
 LARRY SMITH                                                                   
 1520 Lakeshore Drive                                                          
 Homer, Alaska  99603                                                          
 Telephone:  (907) 235-3855                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on Governor's appointees.                      
                                                                               
 REBECCA KNIGHT                                                                
 P.O. Box 1331                                                                 
 Petersburg, Alaska  99833                                                     
 Telephone:  (907) 772-9391                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 JAMES DEMKO                                                                   
 P.O. Box 271                                                                  
 Petersburg, Alaska  99833                                                     
 Telephone:  (907) 772-4389                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on the Governor's appointees.                  
                                                                               
 KEVIN HARUM                                                                   
 510 M Street                                                                  
 Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 277-2444                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Ms. Whittington-Evans.           
                                                                               
 DAVID McGIVERN                                                                
 1527 First Street                                                             
 Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 277-0858                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on the Governor's appointees.                  
                                                                               
 DALE BONDURANT                                                                
 HC1 Box 1197                                                                  
 Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                       
 Telephone:  (907) 262-0818                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 JERRY BROOKMAN                                                                
 715 Muir Avenue                                                               
 Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                          
 Telephone:  (907) 283-9329                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 WILLIAM DeCREEFT, Owner                                                       
 Kachemak Air Service                                                          
 P.O. Box 1769                                                                 
 Homer, Alaska  99603                                                          
 Telephone:  (907) 235-8924                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on Governor's appointees.                      
                                                                               
 NANCY J. HILLSTRAND, Secretary                                                
 Homer Fish and Game Advisory Committee                                        
 P.O. Box 170                                                                  
 Homer, Alaska  99603                                                          
 Telephone:  No number given                                                   
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on Governor's appointees.                      
                                                                               
 BOB CHURCHILL, Chair                                                          
 Anchorage Fish and Game Advisory Committee                                    
 333 Raspberry Road                                                            
 Anchorage, Alaska  99504                                                      
 Telephone:  No number given                                                   
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Ms. Whittington-Evans.           
                                                                               
 VIKKI GROSS, Secretary                                                        
 Anchorage Fish and Game Advisory Committee                                    
 HC 31 Box 5147                                                                
 Wasilla, Alaska  99654                                                        
 Telephone:  (907) 376-9220                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Ms. Whittington-Evans.           
                                                                               
 CELIA HUNTER                                                                  
 1819 Muskox Traid                                                             
 Fairbanks, Alaska  99709                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 479-2752                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 SEAN McGUIRE                                                                  
 351 Cloudberry Drive                                                          
 Fairbanks, Alaska  99709                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 479-7334                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on Governor's appointees.                      
                                                                               
 ED DAVIS, Representative                                                      
 Alaskans for Fair Chase                                                       
 P.O. Box 1616                                                                 
 Fairbanks, Alaska  99707                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 479-7263                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 RICHARD HAYDEN                                                                
 1480 Milo Street                                                              
 North Pole, Alaska  99705                                                     
 Telephone:  (907) 488-5717                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 DOROTHY KEELER                                                                
 P.O. Box 190647                                                               
 Anchorage, Alaska  99519                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 248-9916                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 LEO KEELER, Chairman of the Board                                             
 Friends of McNeill River                                                      
 P.O. Box 190647                                                               
 Anchorage, Alaska  99519                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 248-9916                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 DENNIS LEACH, Member                                                          
 Homer City Council                                                            
 P.O. Box 1414                                                                 
 Homer, Alaska  99603                                                          
 Telephone:  (907) 235-5649                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on Governor's appointees.                      
                                                                               
 BILL STOCKWELL, Member                                                        
 Cooper Landing Fish and Game Advisory Committee                               
 P.O. Box 721                                                                  
 Cooper Landing, Alaska  99572                                                 
 Telephone:  (907) 595-1540                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on Governor's appointees.                      
                                                                               
 SUSAN QUINLAN                                                                 
 P.O. Box 82115                                                                
 Fairbanks, Alaska  99708                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 455-6480                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 TOM SCARBOROUGH                                                               
 1676 Taroka Drive                                                             
 Fairbanks, Alaska  99709                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 479-3812                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Mr. Fleagle .                    
                                                                               
 RONNIE ROSENBERG                                                              
 448 Snowy Owl                                                                 
 Fairbanks, Alaska  99712                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 452-6476                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Ms. Whittington-Evans.           
                                                                               
 JOHN SCHOEN, Wildlife Biologist                                               
 Alaska Audubon Society                                                        
 12640 Lupine Road                                                             
 Anchorage, Alaska  99516                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 345-7994                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 MIKE COUMBE                                                                   
 P.O. Box 240343                                                               
 Anchorage, Alaska  99524                                                      
 Telephone:  (907) 440-4387                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 JOANN UTT                                                                     
 P.O. Box 1114                                                                 
 Palmer, Alaska  99645                                                         
 Telephone:  (907) 376-5718                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Governor's appointees.           
                                                                               
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-30, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 0000                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN SCOTT OGAN called the House Resources Standing                    
 Committee meeting to order at 10:41 a.m.  Members present at the              
 call to order were Representatives Ogan, Hudson, Dyson, Green and             
 Joule.  Members absent were Representatives Masek, Barnes, Williams           
 and Nicholia.  This meeting was teleconferenced to Anchorage,                 
 Fairbanks, Homer, Kenai, Kodiak, Mat-Su and Petersburg.                       
                                                                               
 CONFIRMATION HEARINGS ON THE GOV'S APPTS TO: BOARD OF GAME                  
                                                                               
 Number 0050                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN OGAN said the committee was here to take public                   
 testimony on the confirmation of the Board of Game appointees.  He            
 referred to written testimony located in the committee file.                  
                                                                               
 Number 0129                                                                   
                                                                               
 BUTCH LAUGHLIN, Owner, Alaska Fly and Fish Charters, said decisions           
 of the Board of Game affect his business.  Half of his revenue is             
 from watching wildlife rather than shooting it.  He was in favor of           
 the Governor's appointees.  The Board of Game should reflect all              
 areas of the community, consumptive as well as nonconsumptive uses.           
                                                                               
 Number 0243                                                                   
                                                                               
 SARAH DUNLAP, Owner, Alaska Fly and Fish Charters, stated that                
 although she is not a hunter, she is concerned about the make-up of           
 the Board of Game because they have found over the past few years             
 the board's decisions have a direct effect on their business.                 
 Because the Board of Game's decisions affect all Alaskans, they               
 would like to see the members reflect a diversity of views on                 
 wildlife management.  They hope the legislature will support the              
 Governor's appointees because those appointees will be invaluable             
 in bringing a broader-based perspective that will represent all               
 Alaskans.  Alaska's wildlife heritage is one of the state's most              
 valuable assets, and it deserves to have the most broad based and             
 well-considered management the legislature can provide.                       
                                                                               
 Number 0366                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN BILL HUDSON asked Ms. Dunlap to speak about individual            
 appointees.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 0378                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. DUNLAP stated that she has found Mr. Streveler to be well-                
 considered and reasonable in all of his actions.  She thought he              
 would be an excellent person to sit on the Board of Game.  She did            
 not know the other nominees personally, but she appreciated the               
 fact that they come from a more diverse perspective than what had             
 been represented previously.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 0419                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JOE GREEN asked if she would support nominees as               
 long as they were the Governor's appointees and represented a                 
 diversity.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 0433                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. DUNLAP answered that if other nominees represented a similar              
 sort of diversity, she would support them.                                    
                                                                               
 Number 0457                                                                   
                                                                               
 LYNN SCHOOLER, guide, said he was a trapper when he lived up north.           
 He is still a hunter, but a conservationist as well.  He labeled              
 himself as a conservationist because without some well-reasoned               
 conservation, his hunting license would be useless by the end of              
 his lifetime.  His business is heavily dependent on wildlife.  He             
 is one of the brown bear guides at Pack Creek.  The Board of Game             
 affects him more than any other state government function at this             
 time.                                                                         
                                                                               
 MR. SCHOOLER stated that he knew Mr. Streveler personally.  There             
 have been some great people on the board in the last 25 to 30                 
 years, and Mr. Streveler will be one of them.  Mr. Streveler                  
 impressed him as the most knowledgeable man he has worked with,               
 during the couple of times they have worked together.  He has                 
 watched Mr. Fleagle's work and his voting record since he sat on              
 the board.  Mr. Fleagle will represent his area well and approach             
 other use groups besides the hunters and trappers with an open                
 mind.  He never met Ms. Quakenbush, but has heard that she is                 
 trained in science and biology as well as being a hunter.  Mr.                
 Schooler said he is a member of the Alaska Wilderness and                     
 Recreation and Tourism Association, so he knew of Ms. Whittington-            
 Evans' work with that board.  He also referred to the Anchorage               
 Advisory Board's endorsement of Ms. Whittington-Evans.                        
                                                                               
 MR. SCHOOLER said there doesn't seem to be much argument about the            
 qualifications for any of the appointees, rather it seems to be               
 whether or not we will have a Board of Game which represents a                
 diverse group or users or a single interest group.  If we have a              
 board which just represents a single use, whether it is hunters or            
 wildlife watchers, then situations like Proposition 3 will keep               
 occurring.  Things like this circumvent the board system for                  
 management.  The primary function of the Board of Game is to keep             
 animal populations high enough to where they're useful for all of             
 us.  He could back these Governor's appointees because they can               
 accomplish this task.  He did not support them just because the               
 Governor appointed them, but because these four are good people.              
                                                                               
 Number 0675                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN HUDSON asked for information about his work.                      
                                                                               
 Number 0693                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. SCHOOLER stated that he was one of the guides that was selected           
 for a commercial permit by the U.S. Forest Service and the                    
 Department of Fish and Game.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 0697                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN HUDSON asked whether he took people out from Juneau or            
 operated on Admiralty Island.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 0700                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. SCHOOLER answered that all of their trips originate and                   
 terminate in Juneau.  People come to Alaska from all over the world           
 because of the wildlife.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 0728                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN OGAN said the dictionary defines game as huntable                 
 wildlife.  The hunters have footed the bill for wildlife                      
 conservation by paying taxes on ammunition, firearms and licenses             
 which support wildlife.  He concurred with what Mr. Schooler said             
 about the abundancy of wildlife.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 0787                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. SCHOOLER stated that if you have good populations of game,                
 there are good populations for everything else.  With the science             
 background that at least three of these four people have, there is            
 a good chance these populations can be maintained.                            
                                                                               
 Number 0812                                                                   
                                                                               
 JON POND, Representative, Admiralty Bears Association, supported              
 the diversity of the board members.  Diversity is critical if                 
 Alaska is going to be on the cutting edge of wildlife management.             
 Different perspectives are critical as there are different user               
 populations in the state.  He did not know the four Governor's                
 appointees.  He has read a synopsis of their backgrounds, which               
 seem apropos as far appointments are concerned.  He thought we                
 should look at character, their resume, past experiences.  He is a            
 hunter.  For overall wildlife management, diversity is what we need           
 on the Board of Game.                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 0951                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked if he had heard any of the dialogue                
 which occurred between the applicants and the members of the board            
 last week.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 0968                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. POND answered that he had not been able to attend that meeting.           
                                                                               
 Number 0979                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked whether he was more concerned about                
 predators or felt that man had a higher priority than other                   
 animals.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1008                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. POND answered that he liked to look at best practices, look at            
 the data and then make decisions based on that.  He would primarily           
 look specifically at what the data showed and what the issues                 
 showed, then make a decision based on all that information.  The              
 diversity and various backgrounds would allow a sound decision to             
 be made on what is best for the species.  The overall goal would be           
 to employ best-management practices and sustain the population for            
 the enjoyment of consumptive users, hunters or wildlife viewers.              
 He reiterated that his answer would depend on the species, the                
 issues and what science is saying about the issues.                           
                                                                               
 Number 1078                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE GREEN verified that he would be in favor of a                  
 candidate who would be guided by facts rather than emotion or                 
 political pressure.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 1099                                                                   
                                                                               
 JOEL BENNETT, Former Member, Board of Game, served on the Board of            
 Game for 13 years.  He has been a hunter for 27 years.  Alaska has            
 changed a lot from the 1970s and 1980s, when most of the uses of              
 wildlife were consumptive.  It is now a blend of uses.  He thought            
 many legitimate uses of the state's natural resources in wildlife             
 are legitimate.  The state must have a Board of Game which can look           
 at the different uses and balance them.  Hunting is the dominant              
 and overwhelming use of our wildlife, but there must be other                 
 perspectives.  Public opinion in this state reflects that.  There             
 are economic considerations, cost benefits to different actions               
 that the board takes which must be evaluated.  He thought the                 
 visitor industry was a serious economic factor in Alaska's make-up.           
 People who represent or can see things from a visitor industry                
 standpoint must be factored in.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 1255                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BENNETT knew three of the four appointments.  Ms. Quakenbush              
 has scientific credentials which are important to the board.  In              
 his view, one member always had to have some firm grounding in                
 science.  He has seen Mr. Fleagle, at one board meeting, sifting              
 through the issues in a competent manner.  He seemed to be able to            
 respond to other interests in addition to his particular region of            
 interest.  He urged the committee to look beyond associations with            
 groups and try to evaluate a person's present stature and                     
 willingness to listen fairly to the issues.  Every person who is              
 appointed has some association in their past which might not be               
 something that certain members of the legislature would like to               
 see, but he thought it was unfortunate to focus on these particular           
 issues.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 1327                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN HUDSON asked what the ideal make-up of the Board of               
 Game would be.  He asked what element of decisions are the most               
 important.                                                                    
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-30, SIDE B                                                            
 Number 0000                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BENNETT felt the most serious issue around the Board of Game              
 was predator control.  So much of the state's, the board's, the               
 department's and the public's time is occupied with predator                  
 control that decisions relating to this issue have to be carefully            
 made.  In his view, they are made on three grounds:  a rigorous               
 examination of the biological record, public opinion and the cost             
 benefit or economic analysis as to the ramifications of predator              
 control.  Predator control does not consist of going into an area             
 and reducing grizzly bears by 33.3 percent.  It is the economic               
 effect, the effect on guides, on image and so on.                             
                                                                               
 MR. BENNETT felt the make-up of the board is pretty simple.  You              
 have to have someone who understands the visitor industry.   Native           
 interests have to be represented, and they can be represented by              
 rural appointees, but he thought a board without a Native member              
 would be less than satisfactory.  The urban wildlife issues are               
 difficult.  He cited the special hillside proposals for hunts.  He            
 thought the Board of Game should have a member from Fairbanks,                
 Anchorage and Juneau.                                                         
                                                                               
 MR. BENNETT stated that sensitivity to nonconsumptive uses is a               
 legitimate interest for a board member to have.   To some extent,             
 the board has to be regionally represented.  He suggested having a            
 state board that dealt with the statewide policy issues and                   
 contentious issues, that ran across regional boundaries.  Then                
 there could be some sort of regionalized board which could deal               
 with the daily issues of seasons and bag limits.  This system could           
 be more responsive, efficient and cost-effective.                             
                                                                               
 Number 0227                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN HUDSON referred to a trip he took to the Yukon                    
 involving the Forty Mile caribou herd.  He said people there                  
 believe that controlling the wolf population is necessary.  They              
 felt that not using shoot-and-kill methods did the herd more harm             
 than good.  He wanted to find people on the board who could look              
 expansively, listen to the biology, and then come up with a good              
 management plan.  He wondered if professional, as opposed to                  
 uninvolved, advocacy on a board of this nature was better.  He                
 cited the difficulties with polarization when it came to management           
 issues.  He asked whether there would be a better make-up of the              
 board if it had uninvolved nonadvocates, nonpolarized people, or              
 whether it should be combinations of viewpoints.                              
                                                                               
 MR. BENNETT answered that it has always been combinations of                  
 viewpoints.  The Board of Game works pretty well with combinations.           
 He wouldn't want to see six professional biologist on the board or            
 six inexperienced and uninformed lay people either.  He felt the              
 board should have biological background with professional                     
 credentials in order to interpret what the department was                     
 presenting to the board.  This professional person can also find              
 other involved people in the issue to present additional or                   
 different information to the board.                                           
                                                                               
 MR. BENNETT stated that Mr. Valenberg was not accepted by the                 
 legislature last year, but said that he had provided that role on             
 the board as a professional biologist.                                        
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN OGAN thanked Mr. Bennett for his service on the Board             
 of Game.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 0482                                                                   
                                                                               
 LARRY SMITH testified next via teleconference from Kodiak, but                
 stated that he is a Homer resident.  He stated that he served on              
 his local advisory board and represented his association at                   
 regional councils from time to time.  He referred to a letter dated           
 March 12, 1997, wherein he stated that he was impressed by the                
 number of his senator's and representative's constituents at the              
 Homer LIO, numbering 55, who had appeared for the first hearing on            
 this subject.  Three of those people were members of the local fish           
 and game advisory committee, and one or two of them had                       
 reservations about Ms. Whittington-Evans on the grounds that she              
 hadn't been in Alaska long enough.  He recently went to the game              
 board in Anchorage and found that this attitude had changed.  Those           
 people now feel much like he does, that the Board of Game is                  
 currently dysfunctional because a majority of the board is                    
 unconfirmed by the legislature.                                               
                                                                               
 MR. SMITH supported all of the Governor's appointees.  He thought             
 they exceeded the criteria set in the statutes.  He thought the               
 legislature's role ought to be limited to applying those criteria             
 to make a judgment about whether the Governor has abided by the               
 statutes.  He felt the system functioned best if the Governor and             
 the legislature perform their statutory duty and then kept their              
 hands off the boards.                                                         
                                                                               
 MR. SMITH felt Co-Chair Ogan did the right thing when he encouraged           
 every nominee to report efforts by the Governor's office or by                
 legislators to influence board members behind the scenes.  The                
 board sets both regulatory and adjudicatory roles.  He thought it             
 was improper for anyone to attempt to influence adjudication                  
 outside the established public processes.  He felt the legislature            
 harmed the process by failing to timely act on confirmations last             
 year.  The important business has been stalled; thousands of                  
 Alaskans' plans can be in limbo if there is not confirmation of               
 these nominees.  The legislature should pay no mind to those                  
 involved in politicking about these confirmations; they don't have            
 the good of the system at heart.  There was no issue or set of                
 issues which rises to the same level of importance as preserving              
 the democratic mechanism for regulating wildlife conservation and             
 use.  He attended the constitutional convention in Fairbanks, read            
 all the proceedings of the convention and indexed everything on               
 Article VIII, the resources article.                                          
                                                                               
 MR. SMITH said, in conclusion, the founding fathers were correct              
 when they established a Board of Fish and Game on which the members           
 would serve for life.  This was done to avoid mixing up policy                
 decisions about fish and game management with politics as usual in            
 this state.  He felt that it would be prudent to remember that                
 basic principle before the Governor and legislature:  Do your job             
 as is laid out in statute and then keep your hands off the boards.            
                                                                               
 Number 0788                                                                   
                                                                               
 REBECCA KNIGHT testified next via teleconference from Petersburg.             
 She endorsed the Governor's appointments of Mr. Fleagle, Ms.                  
 Quakenbush, Ms. Whittington-Evans and Mr. Streveler to the Board of           
 Game.  She said her family earns their living from commercial                 
 fishing.  Her family hunts and fishes for personal use on a regular           
 basis.  Wild game comprises over 90 percent of the meat in her                
 family's diet.  She does not actually hunt herself, but prepares              
 the meat.  Her family also enjoys watching wildlife.  In short, her           
 family values and depends on the plentiful wildlife resources of              
 Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                               
 MS. KNIGHT said for this reason, she felt it was essential that a             
 knowledgeable and well-rounded group be appointed to the Board of             
 Game.  She was quite pleased that Governor Knowles has nominated              
 these individuals.  She has read recent newspaper articles, letters           
 to the editor appearing in the Anchorage newspaper expressing                 
 concern that some of the candidates might be anti-hunting.  She               
 failed to see any valid basis for this concern and in fact believed           
 that the candidates have high integrity, are professional, well-              
 qualified and represent various geographic regions in Alaska.                 
 These nominees will protect the rights of Alaskans to responsibly             
 hunt and view wildlife in Alaska.                                             
                                                                               
 Number 0939                                                                   
                                                                               
 JAMES DEMKO testified next via teleconference from Petersburg.  He            
 said he was a conservationist, owns a charter boat and is a hunter.           
 It seemed to him that somehow there appeared to be a separation               
 between the needs of having edible populations and wildlife viewing           
 populations.  He did not feel that any separation existed.  To                
 maintain a healthy population to hunt would mean that there would             
 be a healthy population to view.  There also seems to be a                    
 separation between conservationists and hunters.  He did not feel             
 that any separation existed.  There can be nothing more beneficial            
 to hunters than a strong conservation ethic.  If this conservation            
 ethic wasn't the founding ethic of the Board of Game, he questioned           
 why they would have created the board.  At the core of management             
 is conservation.  There should not be any sort of litmus test                 
 denying someone from serving on the board who has a conservation              
 background.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 1077                                                                   
                                                                               
 KEVIN HARUM testified next via teleconference from Anchorage.  He             
 observed the confirmation hearings two weeks ago.  He was appalled            
 at how some of the nominees were treated, particularly how                    
 Representative Barnes treated Ms. Whittington-Evans.  He felt the             
 chair should have reined in Representative Barnes in this exchange.           
 There needs to be some civility and respect for each other in this            
 state.                                                                        
                                                                               
 MR. HARUM said 81 people were lined up to testify for the last                
 meeting.  A lot has been said about Ms. Whittington-Evans.  From              
 personal interactions with her, he can state that she is not anti-            
 hunting.  The attempt to label her as anti-hunting is unfair.  She            
 strongly supports hunting and supports the needs of sport and                 
 subsistence hunters.  She sees the need to work hard to ensure that           
 there are adequate prey populations to meet the needs of those who            
 depend on the wildlife resources for food as well as other                    
 purposes.  She was endorsed unanimously by the fish and game                  
 advisory board in Anchorage, worked on the Forty Mile committee and           
 earned the respect of many Alaska Outdoor Council members.  The               
 Alaska Wildlife Alliance is opposing her.  She brings the                     
 perspective of a nonconsumptive user.                                         
                                                                               
 MR. HARUM explained that many Alaskans do not hunt, but it is                 
 important that Alaskans work together, whether we hunt or not, to             
 ensure both consumptive and nonconsumptive uses of wildlife.  The             
 polarization in our state has got to stop, especially when it comes           
 to wildlife issues.  The word out on the street is that this                  
 legislature is not in touch, that they are being extreme.  The                
 confirmations of the Governor's appointees is an opportunity to               
 negate that perception.  He knew that Ms. Whittington-Evans is a              
 reasonable person.  She would do a good job respecting people and             
 listening to other viewpoints.  The bottom line is that we have to            
 work together, but we can only do that if we're all at the same               
 table together.                                                               
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-31, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 0000                                                                   
                                                                               
 DAVID McGIVERN testified next via teleconference from Anchorage.              
 He supported the diversity of members on the Board of Game.                   
                                                                               
 Number 0024                                                                   
                                                                               
 DALE BONDURANT testified next via teleconference from Kenai.  He is           
 a hunter and will continue to hunt as long as there is not a reason           
 to discontinue to do so.  He believed that hunting, fishing and               
 conservation are both compatible and necessary to the                         
 sustainability of the uses and the resources.  He has been an                 
 active participant in both fish and game regulatory process and in            
 the formation of hunting and fish rights groups:  Sports and Game             
 Preservation Association, Public Easement Defense Fund, Alaskans              
 for Equal Hunting and Fishing Rights, Alaska Constitutional and               
 Legal Defense Fund, McDowel (ph) One and Two.  He accepts that                
 hunters have both endangered and enhanced the wildlife populations.           
 There are ethical and responsible hunters, and there are those that           
 aren't responsible.  There are those who consumptively use the                
 resource and put effort in protecting the wildlife and habitat, as            
 well as people interested in the same issues who are nonconsumptive           
 users.  We need both of these diverse groups to meet the challenge            
 presented by those who neither care for the wildlife nor the                  
 habitat.  We must invite and unite both consumptive and                       
 nonconsumptive users who are responsible for sustaining fish and              
 wildlife for the constitutional preservation of people's common               
 use.                                                                          
                                                                               
 MR. BONDURANT was bothered that in Alaska it has become a                     
 politically accepted practice to mount personal moral inquisitions            
 against anyone branded as a conservationist.  A democracy accepts             
 diversity of responsible ideas.  If the majority view cannot stand            
 the challenge of those who disagree, then that view must be the one           
 to suspect.  He believed that hunters could stand the challenge of            
 those who might disagree.  He supported the diversity of the four             
 board appointees, even if he did not agree with their total views.            
 Government and boards should be open to all sincere differences,              
 the denial of even a minor responsible representation of a                    
 legitimate position was suspect.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 0271                                                                   
                                                                               
 JERRY BROOKMAN testified next via teleconference from Kenai.  He              
 identified himself with the remarks regarding civility and with Mr.           
 Harum's remarks.  He is a hunter and grew up with a father who                
 trapped animals for fur pelts.  He urged the confirmation of Ms.              
 Whittington-Evans and the others nominated by the Governor to the             
 Board of Game.  He believed that Ms. Whittington-Evans, in                    
 particular, would bring a much needed perspective to the board.               
                                                                               
 Number 0489                                                                   
                                                                               
 WILLIAM DeCREEFT, Owner, Kachemak Air Service, testified next via             
 teleconference from Homer.  He agreed that the nominees were                  
 treated rudely at the last meeting.  He is a hunter, but said that            
 this shouldn't have to be a qualification to be on the Board of               
 Game.  The board has become very one sided.                                   
                                                                               
 MR. DeCREEFT explained that his business is flying people to see              
 bears and occasionally to hunt those bears.  He did not feel that             
 the current Board of Game represented him any longer.  He is in a             
 wildlife viewing business which is a growing visitor industry in              
 Alaska.  If the game board is going to be chosen for the kind of              
 attitude that he heard at the last meeting, then he needs some                
 place where he can go to and receive equal justice.  He supported             
 the nominee who was a lifelong hunter.  He was also fine with the             
 biologist and with the lady under question.  Those nominees are               
 capable of making decisions for the Board of Game.                            
                                                                               
 Number 0686                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN OGAN stated that there were people on the committee who           
 became frustrated with some of the appointees.  This frustration              
 was the result of the perceived evasiveness on some of the answers.           
                                                                               
 Number 0731                                                                   
                                                                               
 NANCY J. HILLSTRAND, Secretary, Homer Fish and Game Advisory                  
 Committee, testified next via teleconference from  Homer.  Her                
 family has utilized game in a variety of uses.  She supported the             
 Governor's appointees to the Board of Game and the diversity in               
 this public process.  The constitution exists for all of us.  In              
 their natural state, wildlife resources and habitats are reserved             
 to the people for their common use.  This section of the                      
 constitution, together with Section 15 and Section 17, emphatically           
 prohibits the state from granting to any person or group a                    
 privileged or monopolistic access to a natural resource.  The                 
 Alaska Supreme Court has said the anti-monopoly purpose of the                
 section was achieved by constitutionalizing common law principles,            
 imposing upon the state a public trust duty with regard to the                
 management of fish, wildlife and waters.  Special privileges are              
 prohibited; to do otherwise is a constitutional offense.  She                 
 encouraged the committee to allow the public process to function              
 properly, to do otherwise resembles the types of royal grants the             
 common use clause expressively intended to prevent.                           
                                                                               
 Number 0855                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. HILLSTRAND commented that she was distressed at the events of             
 the last meeting.                                                             
                                                                               
 Number 0920                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN OGAN felt that one of the reasons we have the visitor             
 industry and the reputation is because of the good job the Board of           
 Game and the Department of Fish and Game do overall.  He reiterated           
 that hunters pay for those services.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 0980                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. HILLSTRAND said there are a number of initiatives which will              
 allow other monies to come into the programs to help the management           
 of wildlife.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 1025                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN OGAN suggested that the basis of the concern is the               
 lack of predator control.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1081                                                                   
                                                                               
 VIKKI GROSS, Secretary, Anchorage Fish and Game Advisory Committee,           
 testified next via teleconference from Mat-Su.  She presented                 
 testimony from Bob Churchill (ph), chair, Anchorage Fish and Game             
 Advisory Committee.  The committee has 15 members and two                     
 alternates who are elected by public vote; 16 slots are currently             
 filled.  The function is to represent all the uses of fish and game           
 in their area of responsibility.  Currently the committee has 11 of           
 the 12 user groups, defined by the Alaska Department of Fish and              
 Game, sitting on the committee.  The committee meets 12 to 15 times           
 per year and reviews such things as management plans, proposals and           
 land use plans which affect the resources in the area.  Included in           
 the membership are ten individuals who list hunting and two who               
 list trapping.  The committee voted unanimously to endorse Ms.                
 Whittington-Evans to be on the Board of Game on February 18, 1997.            
 This was reflected in a letter dated February 23, 1997, sent to the           
 House Resources Committee.  Mr. Churchill was disturbed at the                
 allegations that Ms. Whittington-Evans is anti-hunting and                    
 trapping.  Based on the two years that he worked with her in the              
 committee, nothing could be further from the truth.  She has been             
 an active and productive participant in the deliberations on all              
 issues; including consumptive use of fish, game and trapping                  
 issues.  She consistently voted for an increased opportunity for              
 hunting and trapping when it was supported from a biological                  
 perspective.  She added a depth of knowledge on habitat issues                
 which allowed the committee to make informed decisions on how fish            
 and game populations can be protected and enhanced.  Ms.                      
 Whittington-Evans comes to both the game subcommittee and the full            
 advisory committee meetings well prepared.  She researches the                
 issues and provides good information as it relates to the issues              
 being considered.  Her depths of experience has been invaluable to            
 their committee.  She has developed a good knowledge of these                 
 issues, both by studying available information and talking with               
 people actively involved.  She's an individual who does not allow             
 her background to limit her, but uses it as a point of strength               
 which she builds on.  The advisory committee has been very active             
 in issues such as predator control and advocating for a moose hunt            
 in the Anchorage bowl.  Ms. Whittington-Evans has been a part of              
 the deliberations and an advocated in constructing the proposal.              
 Another benefit is that Ms. Whittington-Evans brings a great deal             
 of credibility with those individuals in the environmental                    
 community.  This is the time when hunters and trappers are becoming           
 a smaller part of the population and we need to begin building                
 bridges with all major groups who actively use fish and game                  
 resources.  Please consider and support Ms. Whittington-Evans for             
 membership on the Board of Game because she is a candidate who has            
 demonstrated her ability to be effective in this type of forum and            
 because it will advance the interest of those of us who hunt and              
 trap throughout Alaska.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 1308                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. GROSS presented her testimony.  She is an avid bow hunter and             
 does not feel that hunting and nonhunting people are mutually                 
 exclusive.  She was appalled at the treatment of Ms. Whittington-             
 Evans.  Having recorded Ms. Whittington-Evans' input on hundreds of           
 issues at the committee meetings she could say that Ms.                       
 Whittington-Evans is fair and moderate in her deliberations of                
 hunting and trapping proposals.  The accusation that she is anti-             
 hunting is unfair and inaccurate.  She differed in opinion from Ms.           
 Whittington-Evans on some things, but had the same opinion on a               
 vast majority of issues.                                                      
                                                                               
 MS. GROSS referred to proposals of having only hunters on the Board           
 of Game.  She reminded this committee that hunters are an extreme             
 minority not only in this country but in this state with numbers              
 lessening each year.  This state depends heavily on tourism income.           
 The nonconsumptive users of our resources contribute heavily to the           
 financial well being of Alaska.  To say that these people do not              
 have a right to representation on the board is to bury our heads in           
 the sand in the hopes that these issues will go away, they won't.             
 This ignorant approach will cost hunters dearly when anti-hunters             
 target Alaska.  Eventually we will lose hunting rights a tiny piece           
 at a time, the same as California, Colorado and many other states.            
 To pretend that Alaska is somehow immune to this organized effort             
 to stop all hunting is ludicrous.                                             
                                                                               
 MS. GROSS stated that Ms. Whittington-Evans is a moderate,                    
 thoughtful and intelligent individual, and her place on the board             
 is an asset to both the interests of hunters and nonconsumptive               
 users.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 1473                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN OGAN commented that somehow there is this perception              
 that having people who hunt on the Board of Game means that there             
 won't be watchable wildlife.  For years the Board of Game was                 
 dominated entirely by hunters and under their supervision there was           
 an ample opportunity for people to view wildlife.                             
                                                                               
 Number 1547                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. GROSS said hunters have allowed watchable wildlife to exist,              
 however people who do not hunt feel they need to be a part of the             
 Board of Game process.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 1584                                                                   
                                                                               
 CELIA HUNTER testified next via teleconference from Fairbanks.  She           
 was a conservationist and worked in the visitor industry.  She                
 supported the Governor's appointees to the Board of Game using                
 today's previous testimony.  Ms. Whittington-Evans received a                 
 favorable letter from Bud Burras (ph), an old time hunter from                
 Fairbanks.  He acknowledged that she has been extremely fair,                 
 cooperative and a constructive person.  She commented on the lack             
 of civility of the legislature to the public.  It is possible to be           
 critical of someone without deriding them or inditing them for lack           
 of character.                                                                 
                                                                               
 MS. HUNTER commented that most visitors to Alaska are interested in           
 watching wildlife.  We need to value the reputation of Alaska being           
 fair and equitable in the management of our fish and wildlife                 
 resources.  The people who are being nominated to the board by the            
 Governor have the scientific background so that they can evaluate             
 the situations which exist in Alaska.  She supported all of the               
 Governor's appointees to the Board of Game.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 1778                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN OGAN hoped that the public as a whole didn't indict the           
 legislature because of perceived actions by some members.                     
                                                                               
 Number 1798                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN HUDSON stated that he had a great personal regard and             
 respect for Ms. Hunter and her contributions to Alaska.  He hoped             
 that the legislature would always be able to treat the public in a            
 civil manner.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 1852                                                                   
                                                                               
 SEAN McGUIRE testified next via teleconference from Fairbanks.  He            
 said this confirmation process reminds him of the good boy network.           
 It appears to many people that the Republican majority wants a                
 small segment of the population to be represented.  It appears that           
 they don't support nominees with education, professional experience           
 or those who support predators.  The legislature appears to be                
 opposed to any diversity on the Board of Game.  Less than six                 
 months ago, 59 percent of Alaskans voted to support Proposition 3.            
                                                                               
 Number 2063                                                                   
                                                                               
 ED DAVIS, Representative, Alaskans for Fair Chase, testified next             
 via teleconference from Fairbanks.  His organization was a second             
 tier organizer for Proposition 3 which banned aerial wolf control             
 by the general public.  Predator control is okay as long as the               
 hunting is limited to ground based trapping, fair chase hunting and           
 is confined by the limits of good biological science.  He supported           
 the Governor's appointees to the Board of Game.  He said an                   
 exceptional amount of clarification is needed to shed the light of            
 truth on Ms. Whittington-Evans.  She would make an excellent                  
 nominee to the Board of Game.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 2151                                                                   
                                                                               
 RICHARD HAYDEN testified next via teleconference from Fairbanks.              
 He was a hunter, but no longer hunts or owns a gun.  He questioned            
 whether or not he would be viewed as qualified to be a member of              
 the Board of Game.  As a matter of personal preference he does not            
 wear fur and questioned whether or not this would deem him anti-              
 trapper.  He did not feel the Governor would not have nominated               
 those four people without good reasons.  He supported all four of             
 the Governor's appointees, especially Ms. Whittington-Evans.                  
                                                                               
 Number 2211                                                                   
                                                                               
 DOROTHY KEELER testified next via teleconference from Anchorage.              
 Her husband is a hunter and her business supports the reputation of           
 Alaska's wildlife resources.  Both hunters and nonconsumptive users           
 have the right to access on the Board of Game.  The board                     
 determines the fate of the public's resource.  She pointed out that           
 hunters pay a fee for a private use of a public resource, just as             
 the oil companies pay for the use of the public resource.                     
                                                                               
 MS. KEELER said there was a recent unanimous vote on the wolf                 
 sterilization program.  The nominees listened to the facts and                
 decided on the best alternative.  The reason to confirm all four              
 nominees because of their fairness and integrity.  They are                   
 qualified to make the best choice.  She was convinced that the                
 Board of Game has the reasonable balance it needs, if and only if,            
 all four nominees are confirmed.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 2300                                                                   
                                                                               
 LEO KEELER, Chairman of the Board, Friends of McNeill River,                  
 testified next via teleconference from Anchorage.  His organization           
 has a composition of hunters and nonhunters, 70 percent of the                
 members are hunters.  He is a hunter.  He said he attended the                
 recent Board of Game hearing and said all four nominees asked good            
 questions in order to find out the facts and make good decisions.             
 He was particularly impressed with Ms. Whittington-Evans and Mr.              
 Streveler.  The Board of Game is looking at different definitions             
 of game.  He can accept that game means animals that are hunted,              
 but their management must determine when they are hunted and set              
 limits in different areas.  This board must faces the changes which           
 are occurring, they must work around the efforts of the legislature           
 to pass laws which are intended to stop change.  We cannot stop               
 change, we must manage it and these nominees can accomplish this.             
                                                                               
 Number 2369                                                                   
                                                                               
 DENNIS LEACH, Member, Homer City Council, testified next via                  
 teleconference from Homer.  He said fish and game are public                  
 resources and anyone should have the right and ability to sit on              
 the oversight of these resources.  Only allowing one user group the           
 right to do so is not fair, right and does not provide the various            
 controls that are built into our judicial and democratic process.             
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIRMAN OGAN said the legislature is determining whether or not           
 they feel the appointees will fill their constitutional and                   
 statutory mandate.                                                            
                                                                               
 Number 2450                                                                   
                                                                               
 BILL STOCKWELL, Member, Cooper Landing Fish and Game Advisory                 
 Committee, testified next via teleconference from Anchorage.  He              
 was testifying for himself.  He supported the confirmation of Ms.             
 Quakenbush, Ms. Whittington-Evans, Mr. Fleagle and Mr. Streveler to           
 the Board of Game.  He personally knows Ms. Whittington-Evans and             
 has worked with her on the advisory committee and on timber issues.           
 He has read their resumes, testified before them this week and has            
 listened to the deliberations on the issues.  These appointees                
 bring diverse backgrounds and interests to the Board of Game.                 
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-31, SIDE B                                                            
 Number 0000                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. STOCKWELL commented that wildlife is reserved to the people for           
 common use, managed for sustained yield and subject to the                    
 preferences among beneficial users.  The common use and the                   
 beneficial uses for all Alaskans, not those with special interests            
 or special agendas.  The Board of Game is working hard to represent           
 all Alaskans, the process is working and the legislature's vote to            
 confirm these appointees will continue this process.  He said he              
 would fax the rest of his testimony to the committee.                         
                                                                               
 Number 0043                                                                   
                                                                               
 SUSAN QUINLAN testified next via teleconference from Fairbanks.               
 She was in strong support of all the Governor's appointees to the             
 Board of Game and against the ridiculous idea put forth to limit              
 board members to licensed hunters.  The board should be made up of            
 a diverse group of people who are interested and knowledgeable                
 about wildlife and wildlife conservation issues.  She is interested           
 in wildlife issues because of her interest in viewing wildlife and            
 her work in tourism.  Game is an important part of the ecosystem              
 that makes all of Alaska habitable.  Hunters and nonhunters have a            
 stake in our wildlife populations and should have an equal                    
 opportunity to voice opinions and influence policy.  This would not           
 be the case if game board memberships were limited to hunters.  The           
 whole purpose of the game board system is to ensure that the                  
 public's concerns are addressed when hunting and trapping                     
 regulations are set.  People who serve on the board should be                 
 interested in wildlife and have some knowledge.  A hunting license            
 is not an indication of the possession of such knowledge nor the              
 lack of a hunting license an indication of ignorance.                         
                                                                               
 MS. QUINLAN stated that she has a bachelors and masters degree in             
 wildlife biology.  Despite her background, she has found many                 
 wildlife management questions addressed by the Board of Game                  
 complicated and without easy resolutions.  This is so because we              
 have inadequate scientific understanding of ecosystem functioning,            
 in many cases there is limited and questionable data on game                  
 population levels and there are a wide variety of public interests            
 and values to be met by wildlife resources.  These interests                  
 include sport hunting, subsistence hunting, trapping, viewing,                
 photography, tourism, scientific research and ecosystem                       
 maintenance.                                                                  
                                                                               
 MS. QUINLAN said Alaska's wildlife resources belong to all                    
 Alaskans.  We are caretakers of this resource for all the world's             
 people.  The tough decisions should be made by a board of people              
 who represent a wide spectrum of wildlife uses and value, not by a            
 board made up of a small proportion of our population.  She                   
 strongly supported diversity in members and the Governor's                    
 appointees to the Board of Game.                                              
                                                                               
 Number 0160                                                                   
                                                                               
 TOM SCARBOROUGH testified next via teleconference from Fairbanks.             
 He said the board members are in charge of hundreds of millions of            
 dollars worth of resources.  Diverse decisions have to be made,               
 most of which deal with the management of people not wildlife.  He            
 felt only Mr. Fleagle had qualifications to make these decisions.             
 He could never support Ms. Whittington-Evans, Ms. Quakenbush or Mr.           
 Streveler.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 220                                                                    
                                                                               
 RONNIE ROSENBERG testified next via teleconference from Fairbanks.            
 She supported Ms. Whittington-Evans because of their joint work on            
 the 40 mile caribou herd management team.  She is a nonhunter, one            
 of the 88 percent of Alaskans who don't hunt.  Ms. Whittington-               
 Evans has listened to everyone and sought to make accommodations to           
 include everyone's interests.  She questioned the policy of only              
 confirming hunters to the Board of Game.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 0292                                                                   
                                                                               
 JOHN SCHOEN, Wildlife Biologist, Alaska Audubon Society, testified            
 next via teleconference from Anchorage.  He was representing                  
 himself as a hunter and as a wildlife conservationist.  He urged              
 confirmation of all four Governor's appointees to the Board of Game           
 including Mr. Fleagle, Mr. Streveler, Ms. Quakenbush and Ms.                  
 Whittington-Evans.  He did not know Mr. Fleagle personally, but he            
 has seen him in action and felt he did a good job of researching              
 the background and representing Alaskan interests.  He personally             
 knew Mr. Streveler, Ms. Quakenbush and Ms. Whittington-Evans and              
 respected them professionally and felt they would be excellent                
 board members.  He has watched all four new appointments and                  
 thought they were doing an excellent job on the board.  All four              
 support sound conservation of Alaska wildlife resources, including            
 responsible hunting.                                                          
                                                                               
 MR. SCHOEN said there has been recent divisiveness surrounding                
 wildlife management in Alaska.  This is unfortunate and                       
 counterproductive to everyone's interest.  All wildlife users have            
 more in common than they have in difference.  By confirming all               
 four appointees, the legislature recognizes that Alaska's wildlife            
 is a common trust resource, belonging to all it's citizens.  If all           
 Alaskans feel represented in our system of wildlife management,               
 they will support it which will reduce the likelihood that citizens           
 will feel compelled to work outside the system through costly and             
 divisive ballot initiatives.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 0408                                                                   
                                                                               
 MIKE COUMBE testified next via teleconference from Anchorage.  He             
 is not a hunter, but respects the judgment of the hunters who make            
 up the Board of Game.  Hunters and nonhunters benefit from the                
 wildlife populations in our state.  The Board of Game needs a                 
 balance.  He believed that Ms. Whittington-Evans, whom he knows and           
 respects, would provide that balance to the Board of Game.  He                
 urged confirmation of her and the other three Governor's appointees           
 to the board in order to represent the diversity which exists in              
 the state of Alaska.                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 0462                                                                   
                                                                               
 JOANN UTT testified next via teleconference from Anchorage.  She              
 has attended various Board of Game hearings.  She has been                    
 impressed with this Board of Game and has gained much knowledge.              
 The board members seem to listen to both sides of the issue and               
 their comments reflect a much need impartiality.  It is only the              
 narrow minded that divide the issues.  She hoped the legislature              
 would confirm the Governor's appointees, especially Ms.                       
 Whittington-Evans, Mr. Streveler and Ms. Quakenbush.                          
                                                                               
 Number 0555                                                                   
                                                                               
 DOROTHY KEELER testified next via teleconference from Anchorage.              
 At the last confirmation hearing, Senator Sharp used a definition             
 of game as evidence that only consumptive uses were relevant and              
 that anyone without a hunting license was not qualified to sit on             
 the Board of Game.  If that logic is valid, then she submitted the            
 definition of the word refuge.  According to the new Merriam-                 
 Webster pocket dictionary, a refuge is shelter or protection from             
 danger.  She would then request that all hunting be outlawed on               
 both state and federal wildlife refuges in Alaska.                            
                                                                               
 Number 0610                                                                   
                                                                               
 ADJOURNMENT                                                                   
                                                                               
 There being no further business to conduct, CO-CHAIRMAN OGAN                  
 adjourned the meeting of the House Resources Standing Committee at            
 12:27 p.m.                                                                    
                                                                               

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